Anthony Kellett

Jordan Peterson touches on what I believe gives any relationship - partner, friend or work mate - a better
chance of some longevity. Of course, this same advice could increase its brevity; but, I believe bringing that
relationship to an end, sooner, will also be for the best, if that's the outcome.

This is not easy; but, it seems
to me it's the only way forward, in any meaningful and worthwhile sense.

Full Interview (27 mins) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLrV1G1ENlA


TRANSCRIPT:

I would like to move on now. I would like to talk about truthfulness, in Chapter eight and rule eight you write about the lie, the life lie Mm-hmm. It's, you say someone living a life lie is attempting to manipulate reality with perception Based on what you write in the chapter Couldn't one say that a large part of the population in 21st century Live a life lie because they avoid conflict. They say what they think pleases their spouses or their bosses instead of telling the truth Oh, yes If they do what is convenient at every given moment instead of saying what they really want. Yes Well, perhaps not at every given moment, but they certainly fall prey to that temptation. It's conflict avoidance. Yeah, well as a psychologist psychologists deal with a variety of problems, but I would say the two most common normal problem our anxiety and depression that would be one class and the other would be lack of assertiveness and and lack of assertiveness subsumes the, the Problems that you just described people won't stand up for themselves and say what they need and want and then they don't negotiate properly and you might and they're avoiding They're avoiding conflict in the short term, which is a form of lie by omission and what that means is that problems Aggregate around them that's often why people end up divorced, you know? People will stay married for a long time and one partner will say to the other eventually Well, I've been unhappy for the last eight years it's like well that might have been something to announce in increments Say weekly or even daily Long before everything accrued to the point where the only possible solution is a catastrophic dissolution there's a lot of conflict involved in setting a relationship straight You have to let each other know who you are because you're different that's going to cause conflict You're going to conflict about Whose job takes priority and win you're gonna come conflict have conflict about how to spend your free time about how to raise your children about how to manage the domestic economy About what disciplinary strategies you should use about where to vacation about what to eat like all of those things have to be negotiated through and all of that requires truthfulness so that each of you know What the other is wants and will be satisfied with and conflict. It's very very What would you say the only thing more exhausting than telling the truth and Negotiating with your spouse is not doing it and waiting for the divorce Both of them are difficult, but I would recommend the former. Yeah, we if we talk about the workplace What do you want to say to those viewers that regularly, you know? Agree with their bosses and instead of telling the truth. What are they doing to themselves in the long run? Well, they're taking the soul out of their work. You know, let's say well just imagine for the sake of argument that you encounter one annoying thing a day at work a small annoying thing and then let's say for the sake of argument that you could have a little battle about that and Improve it somewhat or you could just say it doesn't matter. It's like probably doesn't matter today Oh, it might not even matter tomorrow But if you make a thousand decisions like that Which you will do or three years then now you have a thousand things Bugging you at work, and if you wait for five years then it's well Then it's 2,000 things and the same thing happens with your kids and the same thing happens in your marriage those things Accrue and they turn into a monster. Yeah you but you would agree that conflict avoidance is practical sometimes People do it just go along with their... No, I don't actually I think in a marriage for example, there's almost nothing so small you shouldn't fight about it But the question is what does fight mean? It doesn't mean win Like if if you and I have a relationship, let's say it's a business partnership it doesn't really matter if we have a relationship and we have a Difference of opinion we need to battle it through But the purpose of the battle isn't so that your viewpoint prevails or that my viewpoint prevails because either of us might be wrong The purpose is to engage in the conflictual exchange of opinion so that we can see a joint path forward to peace and that's and that's the thing is like if you're fighting with your wife the first thing to remember if you're fighting with your wife is You have to live with her So maybe beating her in the argument is not the right outcome. What the right outcome is is saying what you have to say listening to what she has to say and see if you guys can come up with a Mutually agreed upon solution that will make the problem go away so if we explore conversation Between people in society a lot of these conversations are full of falsehoods and lies People are nice to people they dislike They're being fake. because we try to be friendly. Yeah, I mean, it's Is it in fact morally wrong to live your life in that way? Yes. Yeah it is it is I mean you can't avoid the Necessary conflict of negotiation towards peace. If you avoid it all that it means is that it accrues and multiplies. It's the oldest one of the oldest stories we have the oldest stories We have point to that as part of the prime moral doctrine, you know, it's it's it's a form of impulsivity, you know If you only do what you want in the moment Impulsively that there would be consequences of that into the future which is why you shouldn't act impulsively Impulsively avoiding conflict is exactly the same and people, same problem people know this, you know, if if someone's casually rude to you in, in, a bus driver for example, and You'll, you, there's always the possibility that you'll stew for hours over what you should have said It's like when someone Transgresses against you let's say you have to say what you have to say. You don't have to say it as if you're the totally, correct authoritarian tyrant you can say it in the spirit of of inquiry inquiry You know because there's always the possibility that you're wrong and you want to listen This is also why you want to listen to your partner your, your, your spouse even if what they're saying to you is You find very annoying It's always possible that they're right and you should listen because if they're right then they can stop you from Heading for trouble in the future.



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